Try running a stock gearbox with a 2500cc I bet u won't last long like that unless you regear it properly to transfer to power to the wheels better and the stock box will blow up like striping out the r&p or something, I love my 2500cc with the top secret cam and it has plenty of bottom and top end for me with my 3.10 first gear and can even lug around with a 2.36 second gear at almost idle speed in the woods. I am soon gonna get me a tranny built with the 5.42 r&p. Remember if you want more speed taller gear = more displacement it is almost that you're talking that a 1835cc with a 3 rib will do just as good when it comes to wheel speed

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oh and 1 more thing, i've allways offered any opponent i raced a second chance if they had a f^ck up if we was just out goofing off, nothing serious, like i thought we was, but there wasn't anything ever mentioned to me about a second chance

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Holy smokes I think I stirred up something here. Im not knocking on anyones rig, im just saying you dont need to build a tranny around a motor. I run a 2387 with a stock 6 rib and climb rocks and dont cut it no slack, but i do know when to let off. Bebo runs a 2500 with a stock side shift, and I gaurantee dont anyone on this site put as much hell on a buggy as he does. Both of us have been running the same tranny for about 2 years now with no problems. Yea if you jump throught the air or just flat out side step the clutch alot the tranny is gunna break. I dont do either so there for I have no need for a $3000 tranny, so i built my motor to pull the 4.56 r/p with a 36 inch tire.

I just got off the phone. I just ordered me a engle 100 from dans performance. Yall have had it now.

I have busted the hell out of a stock 6 rib with a 2387 and 31" 'stones. Not abusing it either. Just goofin in the field behind my house. Yall been lucky I reckon.

The reason for the gearing change is not because you cant build a motor to pull a stock 2nd gear 6rib, its because you'd be going TOO fast to steer around stuff or to control the buggy pulling a stock 2nd gear and a 4:56 at WOT.
4:56 in stock 2nd gear is great for long straight stuff, as long as the hill didnt throw you out of control to where you needed to drive the buggy and keep it in the trail, cuz you'd be friggin flying .
Also the 5:42 R&P gives you a killer granny first for when you do wanna crawl, or get stuck behind a 4x4 on a trail, or pull a heavier buggy. (And much stronger than 4:56 & stock 1st)

Dont forget to drill your valves

Im gettin some machine work done on my heads. Im gunna run a set of reed valves on each cylinder like a two stroke. It should be wicked with that 100. Another freind of mine James just got a gear stack tranny built. He went with the 542 r/p and says he dont like it because of the lack of wheel speed. He was running a 4.56. I guess it just takes getting used to.

Larry if I remember correctly you use to have superflow heads why don't people run them on a 2500. These hill climbs are some what like a dragrace. Everyone runs steet eliminators that I know of. Ronald has comp. ele.. Tool has a motor with superflows and it is unreal how much power that thing puts out. And another thing everyone said you could not run 2nd gear with a 2300 anything with 456 or 542. Wait till we get some new footage of tool and his new tranny. His motor pulls that gear stack as good as a 2500. It might not have as much torque as some people like but it will not bog down at any time.

On the comment of dragracing, I have hillclimbed and just give all my buggies hell on the trails and not broke that much. I have went to tools maybe 4 times dragracing just for fun and have to go back the next day and get all my falling soldiers out of the field. Drag racing is hard on everyones ride

Superflows are great heads, I don't want or even need the top end that they produce, I am already very easily blowing the tires out with what I have now and it has S/E heads very mildly modified and a very tall first gear, that is why I may even go 2nd gear tranny so I can go faster in 2nd gear when climbing because it will be harder for the motor to blow the tires out and would love to have the slow 1st gear to lug around, but I am just waiting for the right moment The reason that Rob and Tool can haul ass is because their buggies are a lot lighter than mine and that is a huge plus, if I put my motor and transmission on a very light single seater, it may be able to let me climb in 2nd gear with the 4.57 r&p and that would be way too fast for the 2.36 gears

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thats just because you had already abused it in the woods, because at every one of the hillclimbs i have been to people leave out just like they are in a drag race, except for when its like golden mountain, and you had to drop off in a hole as soon as you left the strarting line

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speaking of weight chad i thought these one seaters were supposed to be light, but mine ready to trail ride and a half a tank of fuel weighs 1454lbs. on a set of race car scales with nobody in it and i was wandering what some of the other one seaters weigh?

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Hey Morgan mine weighs 1200 without me in it and 1300 with me in it

your full of sh!t too, if it weighs 1200 without you in it then it will probably weighs at least 1600 with you in it

but im calling BS on the 1200 without you also because yours is as identical to mine as they get with the exception of a couple of bars and the front wheels, if yours weighs 1200 it must be made out of muffler tubing or conduit

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Morgan, Hulsey said don't forget about the two times he beat you with a smaller motor at the prooving ground

yeah i believe that involved some missed shifts also but who won when i didnt miss a 2nd to 3rd shift, you know them 1st to 2nd shifts are a lot easier

by the way i didnt even see your buggy there, maybe you should have hired hulsey to drive it for you

oh and if yall want to get some scales and add weight to make all buggys involved weigh the same with driver and have another shootout then we will see whats what

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What are the gears he got? Is he climbing in first or second? If I am crawling along behind poke asses in the trail in first gear, if we come to a rough spot I pull it back in second. I wouldnt even try to load it on my trailer in 1st. Instantly blows the tires if I gas it in first, unless I am pulling somebody and I ease into so that the buggy squats and plants pretty good before I give it much.
I went from a 3.33 1st with a 4:56 (worked great with my 2387, totally SUCKED when I got my 2500) to my 5:42 2nd gear tranny and gained LOTS of wheel speed.

But none of that applies if your buggy weighs much or is stiff. I dont know what the "breaking point" is, but those gears wont work right unless you got the rest of the package. (weight range, tire size, suspension loose, etc.).

We filled the bars full of lead before you came to get it

Not all ss are the same, even if they look like it. I know of one frame that is a clone of mine (actually measured off of it to build his) that is .125 wall. Then there is another that is almost all .063. Mine is .095, but never weighed it.

I had them on my 2387. I hated them. Only ran them once in the woods (I think) and at one MAORA style race in Bedford IN. But that was on a heavy twoseater I started with. I think on a lighter buggy, the lack of bottom end wont hurt you as bad. Some people run them on woodsbuggies and love them. Mark Settles did, but he liked to gut his motor all the time. I do not. In fact the ones I had were his first. Its all in what feels right to YOU.

That combo Tool is gonna run is dangerous. (I hope I am wrong) A lot depends on the hill , too. If you are climbing where you got a couple buggy lengths or so to get er wound up and pulling good, and its a hill where you can keep it matted the whole way up, a healthy 23__ prolly can pull a 2nd gear up alot of stuff, especially if you can keep 'em spinning. But that combo can get you up a hill just high enough to get you in a bad spot, then if you gotta get out of it and redirect for a second and take off again .......up n over time. But that aint never bothered Tool anyways

thats a good one larry

also when i talked to bruce sutherland at d&k he said that when they built mine it was all .095 wall tubing, plus i hear that the aluminun bubble tops cases weigh about 20 lbs more than a magnesium case and i believe gizmo told me it had a full circle crank also which is heavier than a counterweighted crank (especially a knife edged and lightened counterweight) so it all adds up

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Chris, he aint lyin'! That ol tank is plum full of lead!! But you are definitely right, every little bit adds up. Before Darrell added a bunch of bracing to that buggy, it weighed somewhere around 1380. He added more braces to the tree bars, in the roof, gussetted all corners of the roof, added those two long ones over the motor, and braced up the floor some. That's probably how it ended up around 1450. Or It might just be the lead... Either way, I wouldn't care what it weighed if it goes as good as that one does. I've never seen weight hold it back at all.

-Dakotah/koko

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keep on keepin' on!!

Wes weighed his at Flying J and it weighed 1320 without him in it.

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Or It might just be the lead... LMAO!!

Tool got to try out his new tranny today. He said his motor did fine, he was able to get in and out at any time on some step hills. He said what is bad is he didn't know if he could drive it that fast and still try to handle it safely. He was wondering if the reason everyone ran a 2500 and a 2nd gear tranny was for wheel speed or what because he thinks it is too fast.

Glad he's doin good with it. He will be fine. It IS for wheel speed, Just takes some getting used to. He is doing awesome climbing at fast speeds. Once he gets used to it he will love it. I dont usually use all the wheel speed available when playin, but its nice to know its there when I need it. The biggest advantage to me of the 2500 2nd gear setup vs hi first 23__ is the torque AND wheel speed to get you out of trouble sometimes. Less stroke will NOT pull thru the 5:42 2nd gear as good, it just wont, no matter how good it feels at higher rpm's with less cc's. His buggy looks super light, maybe thats letting him pull the 2nd gear pretty good with his motor. Idk.

Gotta go with whatever YOU like.