DD here.It's easy. Push-pull HAND handles for steering, but when they are pushed forward together it brakes.Exactly like airplane rudders and brakes work.Single handle cut brakes under each elbow?Look up AIRCRAFT BELL CRANK to get the idea about linkage to reverse push -pull direction.And I agree with the twist handle throttle.Dave out. Ridin at Leeds tomorrow.

It is far fetched but reading DD's post made me thkink of a skid loader ,,,push both to go strait,,harder =faster,, pull back for reverse. Push right for right to go left= left cutter. It is fangled but interesting. Opens up a big can of worms and it way to difficult to do but would be cool. Sorry for jacking.

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That is fine untill you think of the steering wheel.

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Got your M/O yesterday Jason.
Will give funds to Russ and Jay this morning.
They are supposed to be down.

Thanks to you, Marty and all the rest of the WB gang.

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Need to know what would be a good power rack and pinyon system to use. Ive heard of electric power steering that might be nice, wouldn't have to worry about running any lines. Appreciate any input.

I like the Char-Lynn system . The Grand-Am rack works great too but we need to get Crash to modify it first.

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Anyone have the dimensions of the Grand Am rack?
End to end and maybe the location of the input shaft.
Thanks

Jay and Russ hung out with us Saturday.

Weather was miserable, rainy and cold but we had a good time.
Had a late lunch at the local restaraunt and swapped even more lies........

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Hows that parts list coming along?

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Without measuring I think the rack is 28" wide overall and the steering gear lines up pretty well with the stock steering shaft location on a bug.

Mark

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Looks like my picture got cropped.

More pics of the build here:

http://blindchickenracing.com/Projects/ ... s_baja.htm

Mark

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How about this idea. A telescoping steering column shaft with a throw out bearing 1/2 way down mashing down on a lever for brakes. It would have to be a large diameter hole in the throw out bearing because of the long travel.Then the same set up for throttle when the steering is pulled back.Dave out.

Why not just turning brake handles. If you use a dual handle turning brake with a third handle below tying the two together a single pull on the right handle would actuate both. If you want to get real crazy you could do it for all four wheels. With power steering it would work pretty well. I had to come back on a trip that way after breaking my foot on a run and it worked pretty well.

The telescoping steering or rudder handles may be difficult to control when bouncing around in a buggy. Besides the more complicated it is the more likely it is to fail. Plus the steering wheel is typically something to hold on to when airborne and I don't think I would want it to move too much.

Mark

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Mark I talked to Jay and I think that the moving steering coloum idea is already gone. Still trying trying to figure out the steering though. leaning towards handlebars setup like a bike or 4wheeler. the problem is he will only have around a 90deg (45deg each way) turning radius on the bars before he would hit his legs or have to let go. Not sure what we can do with quickners. Would full hydrolic work perhaps?

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ive been looking and cant seem to find it but i had a sand sports magazine severalyear ago and they had a add in there for some kind of truning brake setup that applied brake brake pressure to the correct rear wheel for which ever way you were turning but i cant remember who sold it or what the details were on the setup or how it worked but maybe somebody on here knows something about it or could figure a steup like that

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I saw that setup a cpl yrs ago, was around $500. Cant find the link to it anymore.

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yeah i couldnt find it either thats why i was looking for the old magazine but i thought i would go ahead and post it in case anybody else had seen it or could figure out how to build it

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Man I good day today out in the garage with the sawzall, chopsaw and welder. I built hand controls for my van today. its a 26 year old ford fullsize, it has been crashed on every corner looks like crap but it works, to have controls put on it would cost $1000 and I couldnt see putting that money into that van so I built my own out of pieces laying around in my garage. I cant wait to get started on my buggy, I've got the fever BAD.

Full hydraulic would remove all feel from the steering. Something like a forklift steering would work but it typically would not center correctly and the buggies reaction to the trail would not transmit through the wheel. Amazing how much you miss that if it is not there.

Sounds like you need a very quick steer with a hand control throttle. Some of the off-road racks are very quick steer but you would lose the power option unless you grafted the power assist from an older ford car.

I suppose you could copy the old FL250 Odyssey controls and have brakes and throttle all in one. Maybe use a motorcycle hand control then controlling a car-sized pedal. The throttle could just be cable controls.

You could just downsize and do motorcycle powered single seat with all hand controls. That would allow for street bike brakes that would work with the hand controls easily. The bike brakes may work for a two-seater but could be a bit under-powered.

Have I rambled enough?

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A cable shifter has several options, Imagine first could be front brakes,,,second could be rear, third could be left cutter,,fourth could be right cutter, maybe even use R for all four disc. A motorcylce throttle could be grafted into the shifter handle. Power steering with a Ky buggy speed steering ball would steer quickly.

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Had another idea for hand controls. If you have ever seen hand controls for an automobile they are set up to the left of the steering wheel, some have a twist throttle like a motorcycle. Picture this twist throttle with a single motorcycle brake lever for both rear brakes and push in for the clutch. That puts all the controls on the left leaving my right hand free to steer with a spinner knob. I can hold the brake and clutch at the same time if I need to and still work the throttle. Down sides are when I push in the clutch and shift gears I will have to let go of the steering wheel for a second but when in the woods I dont usually shift while climbing and when on the fire trail I can start out in second. And I still am not sure how to set up my cutters so that I can use them because when using my cutters I need my hand on the wheel, on the cutter and on the throttle...I just need another hand!! Just thought I would run this by you all and see what you think. Thanx Jay

Guess I didn't specify, I would use my existing pedals with linkage between them and the hand controls.

Ok here is the FOR REAL plan. We are going to go with the shift o matic transmission, we are going to use my 5 rib and Nitro thinks he knows where to get all of the parts for the conversion. We are needing a power steering pump and an s10 power steering box with the lines and shaft coupling. We are thinking about adding a single handle cutter to the steering to help with turning and 2 in line single staging brake levers between the seats. The money donated at the last hill climb is in an account at Davis Racing and will also be used for parts. If anyone has any of these parts or knows where we can get any of these parts let me know. Thank all of you agian for all of your help and support look forward to hearing from you.

Sounds like a good plan. I have a Sweet power steering pump for ya. You will need a mounting bracket. I need your shipping address.
Steve

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You can send it here Steve.
Thanks

Davis Racing
213 N. Washington St.
Morristown IN 46161

You can use my UPS account if you wish.
Let me know and I can PM you the number.

BTW, what is the rotation direction on that pump?

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Talked with the Stick O Matic Guru this morning. He is putting together a list of everything we need for the conversion. He says he knows of a complete unit for $800, but I think it is outside of the budget.

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