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Author:  taterbug [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:57 pm ]
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I just replaced the stock 85mm piston and jugs with 87mm kit. it idels fine but when i start to go it bogs down and has no power. i adjusted the valves and did the static timing procedure im thinking it could be the carb. what do u guys think. realy would like to get it running so i can ride with the rest of my friends
Author:  taterbug [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:01 pm ]
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Sorry i forgot to mention i have a solex 34 pict 3 with a 009 dizzy. i know its not the best combo but it is what was on it when i got it
Author:  Red Barron [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:06 pm ]
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Just a question? Did you make sure to install the pistons with the Arrow facing the flywheel or as VW defines it thr front of the engine. If so then I would look at the Accelerator pump and check the float bowl for trash. It may have a piece of crud in the jets.

Best of luck and Merry Christmas
Author:  taterbug [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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Yes i made sure the arrows pointed towards the fly wheel. i rebuilt the carb before i changed the jugs. i guess i can try and clean it out again. and just for the knowledge what would pointing the arrows on the pistons do. ive always pointed them the way the book says on anything i rebuilt bit no one has been able to tell me why they have to be pointed a certain way
Author:  Red Barron [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:33 pm ]
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The direction has to do with the wrist pin offset on the piston. If you just rebuilt the carb make sure to check the float level and double check the function of the needle and seat. Lastly check your fuel lines and filter. the ethanol fuel eats rubber.
Author:  giveitagallon [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:58 pm ]
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Maybe try a compression test to c if a ring cracked or a c clip popped out if you didnt put buttons in . Also maybe double ck valve train to make sure everything is set properly .
Those are a couple things I have seen on a rebuild go wrong .
Good luck !
Author:  taterbug [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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What is the compression supposed to be when i do a compression test
Author:  davehix [ Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:18 pm ]
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Try holding your hand over Carb a little bit and work the throttle while its running and see if it changes anything.
Author:  2800passat [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:19 am ]
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taterbug wrote:
Yes i made sure the arrows pointed towards the fly wheel. i rebuilt the carb before i changed the jugs. i guess i can try and clean it out again. and just for the knowledge what would pointing the arrows on the pistons do. ive always pointed them the way the book says on anything I rebuilt bit no one has been able to tell me why they have to be pointed a certain way

I read in a book once that the factory has the wrist pin about a mm offset. It gives the running motor an early overcenter so the power don't come on as a smack on the piston sidewall. Basicly it makes the motor quieter by not clacking. The book says old racers used to run them backwards and clacking and they claimed 1 hole h.p. wow:) Look at a wristpin hole and you will notice it is just a hair off to the side. There is an OLD yellow book wrote around 1970 that I used to keep with my school books called "How to hot rod a VW."That book kept me from furthering myself in life because I was addicted to it.If you see it , burn it. :!: keep a copy in your toilet in case you run out of tp.Actually it is a very good book and teaches valve geometry which really does make a difference.
Author:  2800passat [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:30 am ]
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Just throwing a guess out there. Did you use a jug kit for stroker motors making you have very low compression.If flames come out of the exaust when you let off, your valves are too tite because you traded push rods around.A $15 vacuum gauge at Auto Zone tells you nearly everything.Rusty crusty springs down inside your ditributor will definitly do it aswell.Shoot some machine oil on them and wiggle them and see if the weights are slinging outwards and returning fast and snappy.
Author:  taterbug [ Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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I dont think i got a stroker jug kit, but im not sure how to tell. it all went back together smoothly. They slipped right in the case and the heads went on without a hitch. Ive got a vacuum gauge but havent a clue how to use it and know what its saying. I did alot of searching last night after i posted and i think i have the timing wrong.
Author:  taterbug [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:11 pm ]
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Well guys i got it running it was the carb. i got one from a buddy and put it on and it runs fine but it gets hot pretty quick. or thats what my frieds dad is sayin. what do i do now.
Author:  hpfreak [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:19 pm ]
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does it crank slow when your starting it? not sure if this is applicable in the vw world being as everything comes as a set but did you check your ring gaps? tight piston rings can cause overheating.
Author:  taterbug [ Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:55 pm ]
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It was kind of slow cranking over but when i put a hot battery in it it spins over fine. and no i did not check ring gaps it never crossed my mind. Will i have to tear it down again and check them? what should they be?
Author:  hpfreak [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:11 am ]
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im not an expert on vw engines so i would let someone else chime in before doing anything drastic. ive built plenty of smallblock chevys and i think rule of thumb was like .002" for every inch of bore. if you didnt have much trouble getting your jugs on i wouldnt think to much of it i guess. i think the first thing i would do is make sure its actually getting hot instead of taking someones word for it.
Author:  davehix [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:25 am ]
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Do you have the timing set? Do you have have all he tin on engine? And how do you know its running hot?
Author:  taterbug [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:14 am ]
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I have the tins on and i think i have a little more to do with the timing. i dont see how its running hot. it gets hot pretty quick i know that but ive never fooled with vw before. my friends dad told me it is getting hot fast than normal. but i thought it was the way an air cooled engine ran (a little on the warmer side)
Author:  2800passat [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:05 pm ]
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every time i assemble a motor all my greasy hand prints and cosmolene (that syrupy brown stuff all over a new jug kit) burn off and smokes and looks like it is overheating.
Author:  taterbug [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:41 pm ]
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Now that you mention it my hands where pretty greasey and i did oil the cylinders good. how long does that usually last?
Author:  taterbug [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:35 pm ]
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My friends dad is telling me the putting the pistons in backwards (arrow pointing to rear of motor) will make it run hot. i know timing not being set right will make it run hot. am i right on that. and is it to much advance or to much retard that causes this?
Author:  2800passat [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:00 pm ]
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I'm sure them old timers accounted for it by moving the timing, but I agree .
Author:  taterbug [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:06 pm ]
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Well guys i got it goin. i put a different carb on it and adjusted the timing a little and she runs great.
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