Roy,like I said I'm new at this I guess with this BIGGER is better....
I guess the only difference is in the crank at that point... So what is an 84 x 94 ????
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | new build 2165 need help |
I'm building a 2165 ( 78x94 ) What heads, lifters,cam & carbs will this motor like best ??? I'm new at this and need help ... Maybe a 2165 aint as good as something else ???? |
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| Author: | Roy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
You are asking a question that you will get 100 different answers for. It really depends on your budget. That's the bottom line. Lastly, why not go big if your going to do it at all? It's really all about the same price. If it was my money and I was already decided on 94mm jugs, I would go with an 84mm crank. What made you decide on the small stroke? |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Roy,like I said I'm new at this I guess with this BIGGER is better.... I guess the only difference is in the crank at that point... So what is an 84 x 94 ????
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
84x94 = 2332 however i would go 86x94=2387 both cranks are the same price and both will fit in a stock case and with this combo i would also use a 5.5 length h-beam chevy journal rod, my crank of choice is either cb performance or dpr if you have good stock rods and dont want to buy any i would build a 82x94=2275 just make sure to put good rod bolts in it, my rod choice is either cb performance or eagle regardless of what size engine you build my cam of choice is a engle w-110 with either 1.25 or 1.4 ratio rockers and heads of choice are either cb performance 044 or street eliminator and valve size would depend on engine size |
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| Author: | Aaron Creech [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
A 2276 will be the easiest combo to build if using a stock length rod. As Roy said BUDGET will be the biggest factor in what you build. Pick a number that you want to spend and then double it. As for heads,you can't go wrong with CB's CNC ported heads. I just got a set of the new Super Pro CNC heads and they are BADASS. You pick a cam only after you have decided on everything else. BTW where are you located? |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Chris, Where could a guy find a set of heads that wouldn't cost an arm & a leg.... I understand that if a motor can't breathe it can't preform.... I just don't want to have a bundle in the motor but if it works great it is worth it.... |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Aaron, I live in Hillsboro, Ohio.... I guess I need to update my profile so everyone knows... Germantown is up around Franklin or Dayton aint it ??? I live south of Hillsboro on 73 ....I guess my pocket is going to be empty when this is done.... Wow |
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| Author: | Aaron Creech [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Yeah I'm not that far from you. Let me know if I can help you in any way. |
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
cb seems to be out of stock on most of the cheaper heads for some reason but there are some other vendors that show to have them in stock http://vwparts.aircooled.net/CB-Perform ... -heads.htm just keep in mind that for the most part the power comes from the heads and cam but bigger isnt always better but that dont necessarily mean cheap either also what you intend to do and expect out of the buggy has a lot to do with getting the best combo heads arent that hard to pull off and get ported later but a cam change requires splitting the entire engine apart |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Heads ??? Are the mexico 043 heads any good for a 1915-2165... I may just stay on the down size and maybe get a really good set of heads later and do a rebuild for the big boy.... |
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| Author: | hpfreak [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
har far are you from columbus? I found these http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/3271504940.html I have dealt with this guy before he owns a little shop. they do line boring to he said $50 for line boring. |
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| Author: | MickeyMouse [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Here is a great overview to read before you start building your engine.. http://www.aircooled.net/vw-performance-engines/ If you are on a budget.. Here is another good article. http://www.aircooled.net/1800cc-vw-engine-no-machine-combo/ |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
got heads 041's hemi cut, bored to 94's & ported.... Got carb's on the way webber 44's.... next is the block work and pick the motor size....
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| Author: | badbrad [ Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
I built a 2165 about a month ago and so far I love it. Its got Mofoco 042 heads with dual weber 44's. Its also got 5.7 chevy journal h-beam rods with a vz15 cam. But this is stuff I already had minus the heads and the carbs. But if money was no object i would build a 2332 or a 2387. |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Brad, If it aint a lot of difference I will go "BIG" but.... It has got to be within reason.... It is going on a rail buggy so a 2165 may be all i can handle.... The machine work on the block will be done for a Big motor so I can just get the guts later if I want .... But it is just $$$$$$$$$ so why not blow it and make the wife real happy..... 
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
one of best cranks around for the money imo http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=153 |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
I ran the SCAT nitrited race crank in my 2332 with the CB 044 polished and ported heads with their C95 cam shaft. My type 4 914 ran a Bergman perfect circle crank. CB makes some of the best parts per $ out there. The 2332 has 14 years in a rail and two more in a bug. the case is shot but she still hauls the mail. 
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Chris, What is the lift & duration on that cam ???? I would like to put a great motor together but my pocket must have a hole in it....  Every time I turn around this motor project is like one of the guys said back a few post.... get a price in your head and double it... Wow...I could build a BIG block stroker cheaper..... I think I will have over $2000.00 in this and I can pick it up and load it in my truck by myself ????
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
W110, 284° Duration, .392" Cam Lift, 108° Lobe Center |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
I've got a stupid question....Why do you use a big cam and then add a bigger rockers...Do the cam and crank have an issue of being too close and you need to make up with the rockers ??? I'm new at this... 
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
You can use a Scat C95 with or without ratio rockers. I am not sure of the cam specs but I have always run the C95 in all my woods VW engines. It makes power from 3500 rpm to 6,500 RPM. The SCAT cams are clearenced for stroker applications. COMPETITION Part# Grind Lift @ Cam Lobe Adv Dur Dur @ .050" Price Buy Online 20121C C95 .416" 294 262 $57.98 PRO COMP 1 = 2027 - 2332cc WIDE POWER BAND & EXCELLENT ACCELERATION (3500 - 6500) DUAL SPRINGS |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Red Baron, That sounds like the cam I'm lookin for.... This motor is going on a rail and it is not going to be off the road ???? much if I can keep it between the white lines...  I would like to talk to you sometime over the phone and see what all you do to your motors... I would also like to talk to all the other builders on here and get some more input to this build.... My cell # is 937-205-4486 Verizon.... Home number is 937-764-1144.... I'm up till midnight every night so don't worry if it is late.... Guys thanks for your input it really helps.... I will get pics of my rail and post on here I have no idea what it is ??? Again thanks
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| Author: | ridenrace6 [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
mud-duck wrote: I've got a stupid question....Why do you use a big cam and then add a bigger rockers...Do the cam and crank have an issue of being too close and you need to make up with the rockers ??? I'm new at this... there is an interferance issue but its not with the cam lobes its with the "shaft" of the cam when using stroker cranks, the main purpose for using ratio rockers with say a w-110 cam is to get one with less duration for a better and more responsive bottom end and then add the ratio rockers to get more lift to help out on the top end, more or less its giving the cam a broader powerband |
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| Author: | mud-duck [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Chris, Aint that al doable with the cam ???? Just by adding lift on the grind ???? and keep the cost down ???? I figured the 1.25 and 1.4 and 1.5 were for stock cams to add the lift.... But I guess if you put a cam in and it don't perform right you can add the rockers to try and help get what you didn't get put in the cam... |
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| Author: | Red Barron [ Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: new build 2165 need help |
Guys I had a professional engine builder flat out tell me that the C95 was the best all round cam for a built VW. The key is to match the cam with the heads. After all an engine is an air pump. The advantage to the scat C95 is that a ratio rocker can be used if the base CAM grind doesn't get you the characteristics you desire without splitting the case. I promise you will not go wrong. This is an older grind but it is still awesome. All my buddies felt that it was to radicle until they put one in their builds. My favorite engine was a 76 x 92 I believe it works out to 1976 stroker with C95 cam, 041 heads with dual springs. It was a 1835 that had the gland break, had a 76 mm crank new bearings and power, very reliable power. I had a buddy that raced class 5 ride with me and he was very impressed. My opinion street car of woods buggy C95 is my cam of choice. All that being said I am not going back I love my water cooled engine. 265 horse power for $1800.00 for the conversion. My honda has 130,000 miles on her she runs great. Add a turbo kit and 450 horse. (can you say parts exploding from my 091) |
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