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Author:  bige70chevy [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:46 pm ]
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lookin to buy a new set of heads...prob gonna be cb perf. pros and cons on each? if i go w 044s do i need new intakes?
Author:  davehix [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:03 pm ]
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bige70chevy wrote:
lookin to buy a new set of heads...prob gonna be cb perf. pros and cons on each? if i go w 044s do i need new intakes?

Stock intakes will work on 044 heads.
Author:  perrib [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:15 pm ]
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044s. Also check www.performance-workshop.com. Steve Tims will build you a set of heads for your application, including porting your intakes, installing the valve springs your cam needs, adjust port volume if needed, adjust head ccs, set valve spring pressure for your cam etc for about the same price often less than off the shelf CB heads. While the CB heads are very nice try getting your CB salesman do do that for you. CB charges $100 on top of the heads just to port match your intakes.
Author:  davidnashley10 [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:22 pm ]
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what r u willing to spend i got new 044 42x37 shiping and all 600$
Author:  bige70chevy [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:30 pm ]
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110 cam is most likely gonna go in motor,so dual springs on heads or single? what is best retainer? anything i should stay away from? thanks for all replies,eric
Author:  perrib [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:42 pm ]
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bige70chevy wrote:
110 cam is most likely gonna go in motor,so dual springs on heads or single? what is best retainer? anything i should stay away from? thanks for all replies,eric


The heads from Steve Tims or CB Performance 044s will have dual springs and chromemoly retainers.
Author:  davidnashley10 [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:16 pm ]
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bige70chevy wrote:
110 cam is most likely gonna go in motor,so dual springs on heads or single? what is best retainer? anything i should stay away from? thanks for all replies,eric
if u run dual springs u will need sloid rocker shaft and steel push rods
Author:  Baddvw [ Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:37 pm ]
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Street Eliminators all the way :mrgreen:
Author:  Odyknuck [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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I would stay away from 041s. They tend to crack around the plug holes.
Author:  hyde [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:58 pm ]
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bige70chevy wrote:
110 cam is most likely gonna go in motor,so dual springs on heads or single? what is best retainer? anything i should stay away from? thanks for all replies,eric

A w110 & 1.1 rockers single hi-rev springs will work. If you run 1.25 rocker & hi RPMs . Better safe then sorry I would run dual springs . 1.4 rocker dual springs & setup for hi lift with no coil bind . Yes run chromoly locks & retainers If you have more ? call Drews or one of the other sponsors.
Author:  perrib [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:40 pm ]
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While I have seen plenty of VW engines with W 110 and W 120 cams and stock springs and retainers. :shock: most ran like the junkyard engine they were. If your not going to be constantly running 4-5500 rpms HD singles will work but duals are reccomended. An Engle VZ Z15 with 1.1 rockers or FK 42 with 1.4 rockers would be a better choice 1.4s on a W series cam is hard on longevity. I learned that by accident after installing 1.4s on a W 130 cam. :oops:
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:31 am ]
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perrib wrote:
1.4s on a W series cam is hard on longevity. I learned that by accident after installing 1.4s on a W 130 cam. :oops:


dont mean to hijack or nothing but im curious :?

what was the problem with longevity ?

also do you think it could have been because it was a 130 since that is pretty good sized cam without the 1.4's ?
Author:  perrib [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:52 am ]
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The valve accelerates too fast slamming components quicker than it was designed for. My lifters, valve guides and lifter bores wore out much faster than they did with a VZ series cam. There are some people using 1.4s on W and VZ series cam that like the power the 1.4s makes.
Author:  Baddvw [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:50 pm ]
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perrib wrote:
The valve accelerates too fast slamming components quicker than it was designed for. My lifters, valve guides and lifter bores wore out much faster than they did with a VZ series cam. There are some people using 1.4s on W and VZ series cam that like the power the 1.4s makes.


I see what you mean there, but what difference does it make as long the lift at the lifters are the same regardless of the rockers you use, if the cam says it will lift .400" AT the cam lobes then it will lift .400" at the other end of the pushrods and then it multiplies depending on the rockers you use. To me, the wear and tear is the same with 1.4 rockers versus the 1.1 rockers.
Author:  perrib [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:20 pm ]
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Thats only one part of it. Your opening the valve more so more spring pressure is pushing back so there is more load on the pushrods, rockers, lifters,etc. The valve is accelerating faster so valve float can be a problem. With some cams coil bind could occur. I'm pretty sure if you ask a cam manufactuer they will have even more reasons. In my case the life of parts with the 130 cam and 1.1 was thousands of miles and with the W 130 cam and 1.4 hundreds of miles.
Author:  Baddvw [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:24 am ]
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I agree with you on that too, but it will work if you have the spring height set up properly and using proper springs, I am using the Chevy ls1 dual springs and the coil bind is at .680" so plenty of lift to go when I have .545" lift now at the valves.
Author:  hyde [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:29 pm ]
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Fk cams vz & w cam are ground with defferent cam lodes profiles . If all 3 cams had the same valve lift over all . The lobes are defferent . A fk cam is made to get there with 1.4 rocker a vz with 1.1 . There is a lot more to all this thin peek lift & duration.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:45 pm ]
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hyde wrote:
Fk cams vz & w cam are ground with defferent cam lodes profiles . If all 3 cams had the same valve lift over all . The lobes are defferent . A fk cam is made to get there with 1.4 rocker a vz with 1.1 . There is a lot more to all this thin peek lift & duration.


so are you saying that for example if all 3 "series" of cams had say a .500 lift with thier recommended ratio of rocker arm the rest of the cam specs being different is what makes each cam " act " the way it does?
Author:  hyde [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:18 pm ]
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All 3 cam lobes have a defferent Bace circle . opening ramp. opening flank . nose . closing flank. closing ramp. to get to .500 valve lift
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