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Author:  ridenrace6 [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  plumbing a bugpack drysump?
ive got the diagram that comes with the pump but was wandering if it would hurt to add a filter in between the pump and the tank on the return line or do both filters need to be in the same line as the cooler ?

also im thinking about switching one of the screw-on filters for an oberg and was wandering whether it be better on the return line going back into the tank or in the line with the cooler, or is it better to run the oberg first and then the screw-on filter in the tank return line?
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Dont put NOTHING between the tank and the inlet side of the pump.
Unless you are tired of that motor already and want to starve it and blow it up. :wink:

Oberg goes in the the line coming from low pressure outlet of the pump. Then to the tank.

There are several different ways to run your lines depending on fullflow or not, what you are runnin at top of block, whats been done to oil passages and relief valves , etc. Only ways I know for sure is the way mine n Kokos are done, and the way I ran my wife's with the little CB pump.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
kybuggy1 wrote:
Dont put NOTHING between the tank and the inlet side of the pump.
Unless you are tired of that motor already and want to starve it and blow it up. :wink:

Oberg goes in the the line coming from low pressure outlet of the pump. Then to the tank.

There are several different ways to run your lines depending on fullflow or not, what you are runnin at top of block, whats been done to oil passages and relief valves , etc. Only ways I know for sure is the way mine n Kokos are done, and the way I ran my wife's with the little CB pump.


yeah, i know not to put anything in the line FROM the TANK down TO the PUMP (feed/supply) line, what was asking was about the line FROM the PUMP back TO the TANK (scavenger/return) line

it goes like this : tank to the pump (supply/feed line) : pump to the filter,cooler,filter, back in the top of the motor under the fan shroud (pressure line) : pump back to the tank (scavenger/return line)
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
ridenrace6 wrote:
kybuggy1 wrote:
Dont put NOTHING between the tank and the inlet side of the pump.
Unless you are tired of that motor already and want to starve it and blow it up. :wink:

Oberg goes in the the line coming from low pressure outlet of the pump. Then to the tank.

There are several different ways to run your lines depending on fullflow or not, what you are runnin at top of block, whats been done to oil passages and relief valves , etc. Only ways I know for sure is the way mine n Kokos are done, and the way I ran my wife's with the little CB pump.


yeah, i know not to put anything in the line FROM the TANK down TO the PUMP (feed/supply) line, what was asking was about the line FROM the PUMP back TO the TANK (scavenger/return) line

it goes like this : tank to the pump (supply/feed line) : pump to the filter,cooler,filter, back in the top of the motor under the fan shroud (pressure line) : pump back to oberg then to the tank (scavenger/return line)


Check out the blue font. Thats where you want the oberg. :wink: (or actually where I was told its best to have it. I have no way to know whats really the best place for it other than what I been told)
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
ok thats the answer i was looking for, thanks larry

oh and on a second inspection of the lines, my 2nd screw on filter is in the (scavenger/return) line between the pump and the tank already, and not one before and one after the cooler in the (pressure) line before going back into the top of the block, i should have DOUBLE checked before i posted the way i "thought" it was plumbed :roll:

by the way ive looked at obergs website and they have several different filters and was wandering which size and what micron screen everybody is using?

http://store.obergfilters.com/
Author:  Odyknuck [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
I currently have filters in the return line to the tank, Peterson Inline from pump discharge to motor and Peterson Inline from the main Sump scavage line back to the pump. Had one in the other and pulled it out.
BTW I am running a Peterson 3 stage pump.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
hey oddy, where do you buy those peterson filters at?

i looked up there site and couldnt find anywhere to order or even a price, however i really liked their filters with the port for adding a temp. sender in-line and also they have dipsticks for their tanks which also look to be of high quality

also i dint see a pump for a vw so are you running something besides a vw engine or how do you have the pump hooked up, im guesing the easiest would be there bellhousing drive setup, im just curious not wanting to change pumps or nothing but i am thinking about theit filters and maybe even a tank

http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/filters.html
Author:  Buckmaster [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Im just curious,are you putting the pump on ole RWB and if so did'nt that motor already have one on it?
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Buckmaster wrote:
Im just curious,are you putting the pump on ole RWB and if so did'nt that motor already have one on it?


yeah its going on rwb, got a new bugpack pump from tim at southern buggies and im going to replace all of the lines with push-lock, but the directions i got with the new pump only had one filter in the system and rwb and most others have two filters

so i was just trying to make sure everything is ok plumbed like it is and i was wanting to change over one the regular screw-on automotive filters for a little better filter like the oberg or peterson and didnt know whether to switch it with the first or second screw-on filter

the reason for all this is it has pumped the oil tank dry filling engine case plum full and not putting the oil back into the tank twice since ive had it and has done it a time or two in the past also, and when it done it at windrock and i didnt think i was gonna get to run i was told it was the scavenger side of the pump wore and ive been told it could be the hose that was on it could be collapsing so im changing it all out so maybe this wont happen again
Author:  Odyknuck [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
ridenrace6 wrote:
hey oddy, where do you buy those peterson filters at?

i looked up there site and couldnt find anywhere to order or even a price, however i really liked their filters with the port for adding a temp. sender in-line and also they have dipsticks for their tanks which also look to be of high quality

also i dint see a pump for a vw so are you running something besides a vw engine or how do you have the pump hooked up, im guesing the easiest would be there bellhousing drive setup, im just curious not wanting to change pumps or nothing but i am thinking about theit filters and maybe even a tank

http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/filters.html



Best to call them and ask for Kevein. I would also check Ebay. Thats where I bought mine for a whole lot less than new. I am running a Subaru 2.5 and a Peterson 3 stage located were the AC Compressor would normally go. I turned up an adapter on the Lathe to drive it off the Crank pully with a cog belt. Go to my Blog here on the site. There are pics showing the dry Sump system.
Author:  Baddvw [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
I am too running the bugpack pump now and I love it! I am also running 2 filters as well a wix 51515r as my primary filter on the first stage before going into the tank and then on the secondary stage I run it through the derale oil cooler w/fan then through the oberg filter and into the full flow port on the case. The system is really easy to plumb and it takes a mile of.hoses to do it right, but it is well worh it 8)
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Baddvw wrote:
I am also running 2 filters as well a wix 51515r as my primary filter on the first stage before going into the tank and then on the secondary stage I run it through the derale oil cooler w/fan then through the oberg filter and into the full flow port on the case. The system is really easy to plumb and it takes a mile of.hoses to do it right, but it is well worh it 8)


now the setup above has the oberg and screw-on filter locations swapped from the setup below unless im reading wrong

kybuggy1 wrote:
Oberg goes in the the line coming from low pressure outlet of the pump. Then to the tank.

There are several different ways to run your lines depending on fullflow or not, what you are runnin at top of block, whats been done to oil passages and relief valves , etc. Only ways I know for sure is the way mine n Kokos are done, and the way I ran my wife's with the little CB pump.


so now im wandering which setup is "better/prefered/recomended" or if it even matters as long as you are running both filters?

you would think bugpack would recommend a 2nd filter even if just as an option and where to put it :roll: , but then again they want to keep selling parts also :lol:
Author:  Baddvw [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Either way will work I have it setup to where the oberg is the last thing the oil will go through before going into the motor, also like Larry said, make sure you don't put anything in line between your oil tank to the inlet of the pump.
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
RW&B's oil system is plumbed exactly like my buggy's. I also have two screw on (wix 51515r) canister filters. The one on the scavenge (low pressure outlet) of the pump SHOULD be an oberg or similiar filter that will flow well at low pressure. SUPPOSEDLY the canister type filters arent designed to work on the low pressure side and you should use an oberg style filter instead of canister filter in that line. Maybe that is why your oil system acts like it gets air pockets or looses its prime sometimes, but it has never happened to mine yet, so I just left it alone.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
kybuggy1 wrote:
RW&B's oil system is plumbed exactly like my buggy's. I also have two screw on (wix 51515r) canister filters. The one on the scavenge (low pressure outlet) of the pump SHOULD be an oberg or similiar filter that will flow well at low pressure. SUPPOSEDLY the canister type filters arent designed to work on the low pressure side and you should use an oberg style filter instead of canister filter in that line. Maybe that is why your oil system acts like it gets air pockets or looses its prime sometimes, but it has never happened to mine yet, so I just left it alone.


ok so if rwb is plumbed the same as yours and neither has a oberg filter then the only difference should be the lines and filters used so im gonna put the parker push-loc hose on i got and change the fram hp1 filters to either a motocraft FL1A or FL1HP, or the wix 51515r, or K&N HP3001, or pretty much anything interchangeable i can find at the local parts store besides fram
Author:  kyjr.buggy1 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
I say go with the Wix. We've had real good luck with em, and I don't think we've ever had one blow out on a cold morning or anything. 8)

-Dakotah/koko
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Thats right. WIX seem to be reall good. Have blown the seal outta HP1s on a cold mornin before, but never a WIX. May be coincidence, I dunno.

Chris, its prolly better to run the oberg on the low side, it makes sense what they say about it. Even though I dont run one. If you was already gonna buy one and swap it for one of the canisters, go ahead with it. I'm just too cheap to buy one and too busy to fix something that aint really broke. My motor starts, light goes out and stays running. Thats good enough for me right now. :wink: :lol:
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
kybuggy1 wrote:
Thats right. WIX seem to be reall good. Have blown the seal outta HP1s on a cold mornin before, but never a WIX. May be coincidence, I dunno.

Chris, its prolly better to run the oberg on the low side, it makes sense what they say about it. Even though I dont run one. If you was already gonna buy one and swap it for one of the canisters, go ahead with it. I'm just too cheap to buy one and too busy to fix something that aint really broke. My motor starts, light goes out and stays running. Thats good enough for me right now. :wink: :lol:


thanks for the info larry, however the only reason i was gonna change to oberg was to try and solve the issues i had, but i think im gonna try the wix filters first before changing to oberg or peterson for 1 its cheaper and 2 i was dreading having to deal with mess and hassle of taking the oberg apart every oil change also thats the main reason i was looking at the round peterson screw together filters like oddy said he was running
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
also just to make sure im understanding correctly when yall say "low pressure" line you do mean the return/scavenger line going from the pump back into the top of the tank?

and the "high pressure" line is the one that goes from the pump and after going through a filter and cooler and then ends up back in the top of the block?

also some refer to it as 1st stage and 2nd stage and that has me totaly lost :roll: :oops:
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Yep.
Author:  ridenrace6 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
hey larry and badvw, how do yall have your oil coolers mounted and plumbed?

mine is mounted with both fittings sticking straight toward the left side and i am just wandering whether to use the top or bottom for input?

or if i need to remount it with both fittings out the top or bottom?
Author:  kybuggy1 [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: plumbing a bugpack drysump?
Mine is mounted with both towards the left (I think). In the top out the bottom. But I think it'd work whichever way you wanted to mount it. Whatever makes the plumbing work out the best.
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