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Author:  2800passat [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Racing fuel.
It just went up a $1 a gal. It's a great time to go w/c.Just to idle around the perimeter woods and all the evaporation while my buggy sits all week, cost probably 30-$35 a week.( 3.5gx$9 ).A tank filled to the neck evaporates less. Think about it.And don't park in the sun without something to shade it with.
Author:  2800passat [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Any more bad news?
Author:  davehix [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
2800passat wrote:
Any more bad news?

Winters coming!!!!!
Author:  kevin f [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
AV gas. Works great and alot cleaner. Some say add lude to it but I just run it straight. Been running it ror bout 8 years and never an issue.
Author:  fortydegnorth [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Av Gas is pretty popular here too. $5.90 a gallon I believe. We do the mowing at the local small airport and they will sell it to people. I've heard it's much more age stable too if it sits over winter or between trips.
Author:  turboblue [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
AV gas is designed for constant load, constant RPM engine...........like an airplane engine...... 8)

If one's engine requires octane beyond premium pump gas I would recommend a race fuel of the appropriate octane or a blend.

Octane beyond what your engine requires will actually reduce HP..........no matter how good it smells..... :mrgreen:
Author:  kevin f [ Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Runs great and clean in my motor, nevfer had an issue at all. I took some fuel from a rocket brand can once and poured it in a glass and I could see stuff floating all in it. AV gas is the cleanest fuel ive found and will always run it until im proven wrong.
Author:  Red Barron [ Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
High octane fuels give you expensive exhaust and empty pockets. Try running regular pump gas with Methanol and water mix and watch the cylinder head temp and oil temp drop. If it worked on the P51 mustangs it6 will work on a buggy. Check out Snow Performance, I will be looking int it for my water cooled car over the winter. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Author:  2800passat [ Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Very intresting. I love all my a/c's but the passat v6 with the computorized ignition /timing self adjustment , just runs fantastic on 93 oct.
Author:  Red Barron [ Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
I run my 3.2 Acura on 87 octane and runs great even though the factory recommends 93. The beauty of a knock sensor.
Author:  kevin f [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Red Barron wrote:
High octane fuels give you expensive exhaust and empty pockets. Try running regular pump gas with Methanol and water mix and watch the cylinder head temp and oil temp drop. If it worked on the P51 mustangs it6 will work on a buggy. Check out Snow Performance, I will be looking int it for my water cooled car over the winter. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Never heard of this, teach me more please. 8)
Author:  Red Barron [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
The Snow Performance methanol injection can be used in forced induction (turbo or supercharged) or normal aspirated engines. A 50/50 mix of methanol and water is injected into the induction system by a system that is made up of a reservoir tank, pump, supply tubing and an electronic controller for cars with EFI or solenoid switch for carbs.

The methanol and water cool the charge of air like an intercooler and increase horsepower output. Snow Performance has a great website just google Snow Performance. They make systems for diesel and Gasoline applications.

This system was used on the WWII P51 mustang. They originally only injected water but at high altitudes the water would freeze and they added the methanol as an antifreeze and found that it had an additional cooling and horsepower adding effect.
Author:  Sandbar Norm [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
ADI injection has been around a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_inje ... engines%29
http://airplains.com/index.php/news-upd ... -injection
When I was in high school I used to work at the airport cleaning and servicing planes.
One of my jobs was to top off the ADI tanks.
I have mixed a lot of ADI while working there. I had a VW bug at the time, run a lot of free AV fuel to get me to school and work.
Norm
Author:  RaceBugg1098 [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
A-arm buggy kevin runs his type 1 race motor on e-85. we dyno tuned it on race fuel and then e-85, and it put out more torque and HP on the e-85. I dont remember how much, but it did make a difference and look at the price difference!
Author:  fortydegnorth [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
A lot of benefits to E85. Much higher octane at about the same price when you factor in usage. E85 typically used 20-30% more fuel, ironically it's 20-30% cheaper too. Works out about the same. If EFI you need some larger injectors and a way to tune the car usually. Once I get my junk running right I hope to have two tables in my tune so I can switch from fuel to fuel without a re-tune. My buggy is a turbo so the higher octane is a must. Right now I'm tuning on 91-93 octane. More octane means more boost with detonation.
Author:  Sandbar Norm [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Forty,
Thats sounds cool being able to have 2 different tunes.
Would you be able to change the tunes with a switch?
A friend of mine bought a new chevy truck. He told me that it sinces the fuel type and adjust for it.
A multi fuel, e-85 or gas.

Heres a link for diy water injection.
http://www.turbomirage.com/water.html
Norm
Author:  fortydegnorth [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Flex Fuel vehicles can run both fuels from the sensor or whatever they use. I'm still researching table switching on the megasquirt but I know it's been done. At this point all I have to do is hook the laptop up and change my required fuel. This raises the fuel load across the VE table to allow for E85 or whatever fuel you're using. I've heard you need to be careful with fuel line and pumps with E85, some are not compatible.
Author:  Sandbar Norm [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
A story about fuel line.
When I was setting up my fuel system. I went to NAPA and told the guy I needed about 5' of 3/8's and 3' of 5/16's fuel injection gas hose. I'm thinking about $30.
Well $1.25 per inch for 3/8 and $1 per inch for 5/16. I about hit the floor. :lol:
I told him he should let a guy know before he cuts it next time.
Looking back now I could of got some else from summit racing cheaper but I was wanting to put it together that day.
Norm
Author:  fortydegnorth [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
I ran all braided and I'm pretty sure it was cheaper than what you said NAPA was. Yikes!
Author:  gasman [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Only two gas stations in all of WV sell E85. Closes one to me is over an hour away in Ohio.vwtravis runs it and gets great power out of it but it smells like some kind of homebrew or flavored moonshine when followed it last Sunday,lol.have heard good things about running the av fuel due to the lead additives in it and some guys mix it with 97 octane.and getting race fuel 112 is at the closest about 45 min drive and quite high priced and 1-1/2hrs to get it a little cheaper.I love the smell of 112 but I'm going to just suck it up and drop down to 10.1 and run 97 with maybe a little octane booster and be done with hunting for fuel.if propane didn't stink so damn bad I'd run it.Chad :mrgreen:
Author:  2800passat [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Sandbar Norm wrote:
A story about fuel line.
When I was setting up my fuel system. I went to NAPA and told the guy I needed about 5' of 3/8's and 3' of 5/16's fuel injection gas hose. I'm thinking about $30.
Well $1.25 per inch for 3/8 and $1 per inch for 5/16. I about hit the floor. :lol:
I told him he should let a guy know before he cuts it next time.
Looking back now I could of got some else from summit racing cheaper but I was wanting to put it together that day.
Norm

I had a girl at autozone wanting to charge me like that last week. I told her it was $1 a foot not inch. Same with the paint guy at Lowes. They want a sales person to sell the wrong stuff so the customer finds out the hard way and comes back to buy the right stuff.Have yall seen the price of Autozone stuff lately? It takes the fun out of buggying.I built a buggy a while back and by the time I bought a gel battery, cheap gauges, wires, lites, battery cables and clamps, hose clamps,oil,fuel and brake line with fittings, wheel bearring grease , filters,rtv,stuff in a can or bottle,4 qts of oil,7.5 gals of 111 oct (7.5x$9+car gas to go fetch it), brake fluid,spark plugs,zip ties, black tape, on and on! Easily $850.And the man hours to make it all happen.
Author:  Baddvw [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:08 pm ]
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I like my CAM 2 fuel with cherry fragrance.....a few people said that the smell gave them a hard-on....lol :lol: :lol:
Author:  Rick [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
kevin f wrote:
Runs great and clean in my motor, nevfer had an issue at all. I took some fuel from a rocket brand can once and poured it in a glass and I could see stuff floating all in it. AV gas is the cleanest fuel ive found and will always run it until im proven wrong.

X2 av gas is the best. 100 octane low lead and its not just designed for constant rpm load...there's a little more to it than that :roll:
Author:  Bubbalowe [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
2800passat wrote:
It just went up a $1 a gal. It's a great time to go w/c.Just to idle around the perimeter woods and all the evaporation while my buggy sits all week, cost probably 30-$35 a week.( 3.5gx$9 ).A tank filled to the neck evaporates less. Think about it.And don't park in the sun without something to shade it with.

You don't need exotic fuel with an Ecotec, it will put enough power to the ground where the only problem then is hooking up. With a speed density tune based on VE tables then yes, the differences in fuel matters so you have to be consitent in what you use. Retaining the original GM system as designed will allow you to burn
various qualities of fuel and never need TurboBlue, CAM2, avition gas, etc. Don't need propane either.Once you go WC it is hard to look back IMHO.
Author:  Red Barron [ Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Racing fuel.
Quote:
You don't need exotic fuel with an Ecotec, it will put enough power to the ground where the only problem then is hooking up. With a speed density tune based on VE tables then yes, the differences in fuel matters so you have to be consitent in what you use. Retaining the original GM system as designed will allow you to burn
various qualities of fuel and never need TurboBlue, CAM2, avition gas, etc. Don't need propane either.Once you go WC it is hard to look back IMHO.


I would have to agree with a knock sensor, mass air flow, and O2 sensor who needs exotic fuels I run 87 in an engine that recommends 93 and it hauls the mail. The only thing that sucks is when you loose a throttle position sensor and have to buy a whole throttle body from the dealer. I love my Acura but they love there parts $320 wholesale ouch. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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